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  1. I am am one of the original DAPO subscribers who switched to Delight 399 last year.

    I had subscribed to RIM with Local, STD (NLD in Reliance Parlance), and ISD (ILD in Reliance lingo) in March 2003 and paid the full amount of Rs.24,000 (incl. deposit of 1000+1000+1000). I never had occasion to use ISD till now. When I tried using it a few days ago I found it was not active.

    I tried e-mailing customer care and found that reverse authentication check was not able to find the server of a client with a 20Mbps leased line from Reliance! I then sent the same mail through my gmail account. The mail has not been answered till date.

    Day before yesterday I sent a mail to the Service Assurance Cell (this time it went through without a hitch) which too remains unanswered.

    What do I do now?


  2. This looks like a sustainable and practical plan, and is more or less in line with my observations on another thread.

    1. Base tariff goes up - covers the fixed costs.Not much hanky panky of covering one thing from the other.

    2. Some free incoming roaming - essentially to justify the above. Then at Re.1 per minute - i.e. as per the standard STD tariff on the 1India plan. Good, I expect some fine tuning down the line - see my comment 1 below.

    3. Outgoing tariffs essentially the same as the normal rates. Good, again as it should be.

    I hope this a precursor to the following on all plans

    1. Incoming - equal to STD rate of your plan. There is no logic in beefing up the tariff and adding some free incoming!

    2. Outgoing local & STD as per your outgoing rate.


  3. Why let it go??? Sue them ...just file your complaint... chances are that they will refund your money without fighting the case ...as it will be lot cheaper and easier to them. They usually count on most people to get fed up and let it go ...those who kick up a ruckus usually get their dough back.

    You forgot to add - Bad Publicity. The only thing which scares the mobile operators (except BSNL of course, who are after all sarkari!) is a news item reading soemthing like 'such and such fined for ...'.


  4. I never heard that no. portability implies that calls would be forwarded that way??? :grin: That would be preposterous!

    How do you expect it to work?

    Say you were a Reliance (93) user who has moved to BSNL (94). When someone dials your number 93...... the caller's service provider will naturally go to Reliance since it finds a 93 number. In fact he may decode a few more digits to get your mother location. This he will be given your internal ID which will tell him to switch out to BSNL. Who pays for this? You of course. You may recall that all BSNL/MTNL fixed phones were given a prefix 2, Reliance is 3 and Airtel 4 for this very reason.

    Otherwise how will it work. Surely there will not be a master registry maintaining all the 10's of crores of numbers, and everytime there is a call this is referred to first!


  5. This can also be achieved thru number portability! Customers can just jump to better plans ...even plans of competitors ...so telcos wont be able to easily continue such behaviour. Customers have to stick to old plans only to retain the number, after all. I think this would be much better than just having more regulaton.

    Number portability is fine, except that the additional tariff for using the facility can be horrendous. After all every incoming call first goes to one network only to be diverted to another. You have to pay for it.

    So the option of allowing a 'switch in' for free may be the best option for the majority of us.


  6. As Reliance have PAN India Fibre Optic network they have the Edge and The Company dont have to share it Roaming Revenue with any other Operators same will be for tata and BSNL who only offer raoming in it own Network only.

    Regarding GSM i am suspectable that they may allow such nice roaming charges to their users as Major Traffic are comming from Partner Network and in 40 paise how they Share the Revenue. If they do also najor GSM operator like Idea, Hutchv, Spice, Aircel dont have National Backbone networkj to carry roaming and STD data Pushing it on Just .40 National Level means Offerung STD @ .40 Paise Of course the GSM player have to give away their Pie to Customer or else loose the customer.

    haha

    Feelind proud to be in Reliance Network now. !!!

    Let us not worry about GSM or CDMA, since this is just the front end.

    Every operator wants to keep you on his network as long as possible (minimum share of the moolah to others). Thus any incoming call (from another network) while roaming will end up going to your 'home' on the originators network and then come back to you on your network. The benefit of local knowledge will only come in when the originator and recipient are on the same network. Here the route will be short circuited.

    In a heterogenous scenario things are a bit different. Almost all switching equipment now implements LCR (lowest cost routing), and thus the optimisation as to the cheapest route automatically takes place.


  7. I fail to understand why they always have to give benefits in new plans? Why cant they provide in existing plans? There has been plans like 1India, and even high end plans. Most of the users are not aware about new plans they put across every now and then hence most users remains stuck to their old plans only. I Think now they even charge amount equivalent to one month rental as plan change charges so user keep on paying 200-400 bucks every 2-3 months and eventually no benefit.

    I cannot agree more. May be TRAI should make it mandatory for operators to inform and permit users to switch into new plans for free whenever these are introduced.

    This will take care of the vital issue you have raised, and also force operators not to release new plans just for the sake of some free revenue far too often.


  8. So the fun and games have started.

    Looking at it in another way:

    The operator has a fixed cost plus and incremental cost. The fixed cost is the same independent of what you do with your phone.I understand that the capital cost of the swtching equipment is about Rs.2,000 per line. Add to this the cost of the towers, generators etc.etc. There is an additional cost in the maintenance of the network.

    The incremental cost is as per you usage. Swictching costs are negligible and with bandwidth going abegging (in the US more than 90% of the Fiber has reportedly never been lit!) distance and the additional switching costs are near zero.

    Thus as tariffs drop the operators have to somehow recover their cost. Hence the global scenario - heavy users pay more up front long and lower tariffs. Light users pay less up front with higher tariffs.

    Just to remind readers 10 years ago BSNL charged Rs.30 per minute in day time for a long distance call across over 1000km. We must continue complaining, this is the only way to get the best possible service at the lowest cost.


  9. I think the logic is soemthing like

    When you are roaming all calls are charged at the same rate as your plan. In other words, say, say you are on Re.1 a minute for local calls and Rs.1.25 a minute for STD, then local and STD calls from your roaming location will be charged at the same rate. All incoming calls will also be billed to you at the subscribed STD rate, i.e. 1.25 a minute.

    This makes sense. When roaming for outgoing calls you are a local as far as the network is concerned. So the caller pays as if he is calling you at your home location, and you pay for the charges from the home location to your the current location.

    I am sure they keep track within the network about your current location, and the local incoming call (from at least within the same service provider's network) is essentlally a local call. They are still making more money since as far as billing goes it is billed as a call to your base location (STD) and then diverted to you at your roaming location (STD again).


  10. I'm glad that it worked for u. :Riendo:

    Yes, the good ol' RConnect will work also in compatibility mode. :grin:

    I could not get it to go. It tried, failed as expected (non-Vista) and when I tried reinstalling it it came up with a message stating that the Nokia Modem is already installed. Should I delete it! I aborted here. :Decepcionado:

    I feel that bypassing R Connect and just setting up the Nokia 3125 as a modem may be a better idea. Then I can run the Modem through the IE.

    I understand that some settings may have to be changed, and (maybe) also the modem formally installed! On another thread I saw some additional startup string may have to be sent.

    Can anyone give the sequence of steps required.


  11. ^^ I hv tried the USB cable driver setup in compatibility mode in Vista and it worked for me. Thats why I suggested u. ;)

    Yes. It did work beautifully. I would never have guessed with all the noise to the contrary from Prolific.

    One other thing - can I use 'Connect to the Internet' from the Nokia Suite 6.83.14.1? If so how? Otherwise how do I connect to the net. Will the good old Rconnct work?

    Thanks


  12. Try to run the driver setup in Compatibility mode (from its properties). :clap:

    The compatibility mode is for software and not for the hardware/software interface, i.e. the drivers. Also, if this was indeed the case, one would have expected Prolific to say so, and not just sign off with such a strong statement. This hurts their (cable clone) market in a no uncertain manner.

    Will try it out nevertheless, even though I think the chances of it working are minimal.


  13. A very large number of DKU5 cables are clones based on the Prolific 2303 Chip. Using them in WinXP was easy as long as you installed the Prolific Driver available from many locations, incl. the Prolific site.

    However, according to Prolific site they are not putting out Vista drivers for the chip and state that you contact your cable manufacturer. I do not thing most of us know or can find out as who this 'gumnaam' fellow is!

    Any work arounds or solutions?


  14. I have been watching the Delight v DAPO debate and the heat it has generated.

    Firstly, we must remember that TRAI was the first to move the Goalposts since the COAI (read GSM) crowd was getting restless. So Reilance was forced to change DAPO. Also, DAPO paid a major role in demolishing the high tariff ergime.

    As for Delight v DAPO, in Delight you get 160 worth of calls free, i.e., 400 minutes Reliance to Reliance in D499 (same as DAPO). On the other hand in D399 you get less.

    For a light user like me D399 is the best option since now my non-R-R calls are also included in the Rs.160. Data link is 25p at night as against 40p all the time. The only catch is SMS but I seldom hit even 20 in a month. Here again R-R is free. For heavy users with more inter region R-R calls or Roaming D499 appears to be better.

    In any case DAPO continues. One has to see if the heavier STD tariff (non-R phones) offsets the gains of free SMS and RWorld. Also, once the three years are up, I think ADA can change the goalposts for DAPO, or even close it down.

    Let us see how things evolve!

    What about the latest news about Reliance going over to GSM! May be we need a separate thread for that.


  15. In the heat we are forgetting some basic long term tenets. These will in time come to be reflected in all plans of all operators.

    The old model (in the dark - BSNL only -ages) was to cross subsidize the system from the charges for long distance calls. I remember paying Rs.30 per minute in the late 90's for calls over 1000km.

    The following facts have to be borne in mind:

    1. The fixed cost is there irrespective of the usage. These have also dropped dramaically oer the years. The basic switch worked out to over Rs.8000 per connection about a decade ago. The same has dropped to under Rs.2000 today.

    2. Call handling and carriage costs are almost constant for any distance, be it the next room, or 2000km. The additional cost in switching and network is miniscule for long diatance calls. Bandwidth is no longer an issue, I am sure there is more than adequate bandwidth in India. Remember in the US over 75% of the optical fibre has never been lit.

    Thus you will expect a high fixed cost (you may call it cost of having a connection) and a low incremental cost of usage. The various plans reflect this reality:

    1. Prepaid is costlier per call as an element of fixed cost is built into the tariff. The only advantage the operator has is the saving in the collection of money, and the advance payment.

    2. Various postpaid options reflect the two part structure. The lower end includes an element of the fixed cost in the call tariff, while the higher plans show the operator charging you closer to the cost after getting his fixed cost out of you in the basic charge.

    3. With time as the artificial distortions (ADC etc) vanish the various plans will reflect this more and more.

    The user has to look at the various options keeping this reality in mind and make his/her own decision based on the specific usage pattern.

    As the structures evolve one can expect the various plans tol morph into similar schemes, limited in number. Also, new schemes from one operator tend to be picked up by others leaving the advantage for a very short time only.


  16. Good with dku2

    This is news to me. The 3125 works with DKU5 / CA42 as it has a serial interface and not USB. Protocol conversion is necessary. I unerstand that DKU2 is pure USB!.

    I have used the 3125 and found it excellent in all respects. Gives 130kbps on the Net which is the maximum of CDMA using a cloned DKU5.

    But I must add I am partial to Nokia and have a 3120 GSM as well!


  17. If this is the case then what do BNSL/MTNL do with their WLL customers? Dump them into the Arabian sea perhaps!

    Also, Reliance is shifting many fixed phones to copper as the density in locations increases and cables are laid. They want to sell them Broadband as well. Bharti in the early days (im MP) did the same. WLL units until they had enough conenctions etc. to make copper viable, and then switched the subscribers to wired lines.

    I hope BSNL learns that they are no longer a monopoly. Also, they should heed the discussion in parliament, telecast on some channels where Mr Ahluwalia stated :

    MTNL -> Mera telephone Nahin Lagta

    BSNL -> Bai Saheb Nahim Lagege.

    This I presume is in the records of the parliament.


  18. "I successfully installed the CA-42 cable drivers...after which my laptop detected the Phone..

    but when I tried installing R-Connect , first it install DKU5 Cable drivers & then goes for Modem Installation...but ..the setup stops for taking any action thereon...means it do not go ahead & install the modem...I tried this several times, but failed..."

    I think the problem is with RConnect Installing DKU5! You shoule be able to dial in using the dialler with the CA42/phone combo as the modem. I saw some discussion earlier (around September 2005) that you can use the PC Suite or for that matter any other tool for the connection and forget RConnect, which is a very big file.

    My sugegstion will be to remove RConnect/DKU5 driver, reinstall the CA42 driver, and then use the PC Suite from Nokia for the conenction.

    I would like to know how you get along since I am thinking of switching from a DKU5 (clone) to a CA42 soon.


  19. "You are absolutely right........even I faced the same issues with my cloned DKU-5 cable. After few weeks of intense R & D with that cloned cable, I finally came to the conclusion that the cloned cables can never give you a consistent Rconnect connection. I then purchased a original CA-42-Nokia."

    I disagree. If you are willing to do a little work (namely download and install the Prolific drivers) then things are OK.

    Once connected the performance is flawless, and at the CDMA speed limit. No drops, broen connections, etc. So if you are willing to take the pain then cloned cables work well and save you about Rs.1500!


  20. There was an extensive discussion on the cloned cables (DKU5 as well as others) issue around August-September this year.

    As CA42 clones are not available yet so you do not face that problem. Original DKU5 are naturally quite happy with the Nokia drivers. I have a feeling that the CA42 was introduced by Nokia to attack the Cloned DKU5 industry!

    Almost all clones use the Prolific 2303 USB to Serial converter chip, (The phones are serial, and hence the conversion is necessary). To make the cables work you need to install the correct driver dor teh converter. I had two DKU5 Clones and could not make either work. Then I got to know of this issue, found, downloaded and installed the Prolific Drivers, and have had no problems ever since. One need not install the DKU5_1.exe since I guess it is the Nokia specific driver. DKU5_2 needs to be installed.

    Just remember that the Nokia PC Suite must be disconnected to make R Connect work. The cable may have to be plugged in and out of the phone before one gets the data enhancement connected message, but after that things are smooth. I have an interesting observation - while my 3120 (GSM) connects first time round I have to plug and unplug the 3125 about five times on an average.

    The availability of the DKU5 is still poor. The nearest RWorld still sells the DKU5 only!

    Raw data rates cannot top 120-140 kbps since that is the limit of the CDMA connection. faster rates that are seen are because of data compression.


  21. All DKU5 compatible phones take the same set of drivers. The set(s) will be different for DKU2 and CA42. Nokia PCSuite compatibility depends on the phone.

    Look at it this way. The phone needs to 'talk' to the PC. This depends on the interface built into the phone, and the cable beiing used. The cable must be compatible with the phone. Now RConnect uses this interface, which is essentially a serial connection as far as the PC is concerned. This does not worry about the phone. PCSuite on the other hand 'talks' to the phone, hence compatibility is necessary.

    If you are using a DKU5 clone (as many of us do since Rs.350 sure beats 1900) then often the vendor does not provide the correct drivers. Here only DKU5_1 needs to be replaced. On the other hand if you use a Nokia original cable then use their drivers


  22. The correct cable for the 3120/3125 is now the CA42. DKU5 works fine. CA42 is a replacement for the DKU5.

    Nokia at Rs.1900+ is ideal. Third party at Rs.350 or so also works though making the system work is sometimes a bit of a hassle.

    If you want to save Rs.1500+ then go for the clone, but be willing to work on it a bit, if things do not work. You will find posts on other threads which tell you how.

    Essentially the Nokia DKU5_1 driver has to be substituted by the proper driver for the protocol converter in your cable. Most use the Prolific 2303 chip. The driver is available from the Prolific site.

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