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  1. Here Comes My iPhone 4

    Apple Store in HongKong sells officially unlocked iphone 4 which can be used with any carrier at following prices, Iphone 4 16GB @ HK Dollar 4988= Indian Rupee 29,429 Iphone 4 32GB @ HK Dollar 5888= Indian Rupee 34,739 They don't ship outside HongKong though. Someone having a contact in HongKong can buy this for peace of mind regarding unlocking and all those things.
  2. Here Comes My iPhone 4

    Wow!! That's fantastic price!!
  3. Here Comes My iPhone 4

    Enjoy!! What was the total damage in Rupees?
  4. Source DNA 25-9-2010 'Planned attack on Tata Indicom website' Hackers wanted access to user database of Tata Indicom, which is also an internet service provider Divyesh Singh The official website of telecom giant Tata Indicom was hacked on Thursday evening. Immediately thereafter, www.tataindicom.com became inaccessible and it was brought down for repair. The hackers, who identified themselves as 'Anarchy cr3w — Kurdish hackers' had put a disfigured Tricolour with a golden star in its centre on the homepage. They also uploaded some text in a foreign language. Experts suspect it was a planned attack by which the hackers wanted to get access to the user database of Tata Indicom, which is also an internet service provider. On Sunday, after the attack at Jama Masjid in Delhi, a news channel received a threat email, reportedly sent by banned terror outfit Indian Mujahideen (IM). It mentioned that an attack would be carried out in Mumbai. This email was traced to a server in the city. A mobile internet service, Tata Docomo, was used to send the email and the mobile number was procured by providing fake documents of the person. Though the police have questioned the shop owner from where the number was procured, it has not been of much help to investigators. Kurdish people are mostly found in parts of Iran and Iraq. When contacted, officials from the Mumbai Cyber Crime cell said they had no idea about the attack. A Tata Indicom official said: "On Thursday evening, while routine updation and integration activities were being carried out, which leads to disabling of several security features, the Tata Indicom website was hacked by unknown miscreants. However, our web team quickly regained control and the site was up and running normally in under twenty-nine minutes. We have since put in additional security measures in place to ensure this does not happen again." Technology expert Vijay Mukhi said, "If an official website of an internet service provider can be attacked and the security is not up to date to tackle such problems, it might be very dangerous. There are lakhs of people who are on the user database of the company and if the attackers could upload pictures and text on the homepage, then also it is very much possible that they could get get access to the databse. This could be misused." The site which is said to have one of the best security set-up in place was attacked in a very short span of time on Thursday evening when the firewall and other protection was disabled. It is suspected that the hackers had some idea about the updation timing of the website and had waited for the security measures to be disabled, so that they could launch an attack.
  5. Have used Canon, Panasonic, Sharp, Samsung at various points of time. Canons are pricey and i did not notice any great advantage in using it over others. Infact it had huge issues for service. For your requirement, i suggest you don't spend Rs. 50,000/- for a higher end model or go for brands like Canon. Most of the time their pricing is more due to the brand premium then actual features and performance. On the other hands companies like Panasonic and Sharp offers great value products which are strudy. The reason for their less price is to expand their market share and not because they are inferior in any way. Canon just entered India much earlier, cornered marketshare and so reaping price premium. Have used a sharp model which at that time cost Rs. 25,000/-. Rated for a 10,000 page workload, it was used sometimes for 50,000 copies in a month. Still no major breakdown. Only small issues like toner spreading etc. Panasonic and Sharp both have models below Rs. 20,000/- which may not have fax and A3 but rest all features will be there. In some you may get fax also. If Network Printing is not available, then you can either attach it to a PC and share or put an additional print server for all your users to print. Both Panasonic and Sharp (Through their Dealers) enter into Comprehensive contracts wherein they charge you for a minimum no. of copies for month and additionally as per actual usage per copy. In return they provide toner, comprehensive repair or replacement for any breakdown free of cost. Sharp India Website for Multifunctions: http://www.sbsil.com...on-printers.htm Panasonic India Multi Function Printers http://www.panasonic...ifunctioncopier Be aware though that their websites may not be updated with the latest models. Your best source will be a dealer. Read somewhere that Panasonic has launched a Multi Function with Networking at about 15,999/. Don't remember the exact model.
  6. Have you installed the QT-56 drivers downloaded from Spice Website while the phone was connected to PC with Data Cable. If yes, the Drivers will not be properly installed. Disconnect the phone from PC. Install Spice Drivers, reboot PC. Connect phone and now try.
  7. LAN Extension

    Use Cat5e Ethernet Cable which is rated for 350 Meter Distance. Cat5 Ethernet will work only upto 100 Meter. Since you are using Airtel Wi Fi Router, most probably it will have 4 Ethernet ports on the back side. -Connect your main computer from which you want to access data through Lan port on your router. -Connect the computer in your showroom to Lan port on your router by usind Cat5e Cable. -Configure your operating system for peer to peer network access by creating shared directories and user permissions on the host computer.
  8. Nokia Launches Dual Sim Mobile Phone C1 And C2 In India

    No. This are GSM Phones.
  9. By the time the ban is implemented by Telecom Companies, It will be long over!!! Remember the experience with Do Not Call Registry. In india most of the bans are on paper only.
  10. Non SMS Stuff

    :rofl_200: Very apt for the current situation they are in!!
  11. Non SMS Stuff

    God was in the process of creating the universe And he was explaining to his subordinates "Look everything should be in balance. For example, after every 10 deer there should be a lion. Look here my fellow angels, here is the country of the United States. I have blessed them with prosperity and money. But at the same time I have given them insecurity and tension..... And here is Africa. I have given them beautiful nature. But at the same time, I have given them climatic extremes. And here is South America. I have given them lots of forests. But at the same time, I have given them lesser land so that they would have to cut off the forests... So you see fellows, everything should be in balance. One of the angels asked... "God, what is this extremely beautiful country here?" God said....... "Ahah...that is the crown piece of all. "INDIA", My most precious creation. It has understanding and friendly People. Sparkling streams and serene mountains. A culture which speaks of the great tradition that they live. Technologically brilliant and with a heart of gold..... The angel was quite surprised: "But god you said everything should be in balance." God replied -- "Look at the neighbours I gave them"
  12. Non SMS Stuff

    Business Proposal: Little Johnny has grown up!! Johnny wanted to enjoy a girl in his office.......but she had a boyfriend... One day Johnny got so frustrated that he went up to her and said, "I'll give you $1000 dollars if you let me enjoy you" But the girl said "NO WAY!" Johnny said, "I'll be fast. I'll throw the money on the floor, you bend down, I'll be finished by the time you pick it up!" She thought for a moment and said that she would have to consult her boyfriend... So, she called her boyfriend and told him the story. Her boyfriend says "Ask him for $2000 dollars, pick up the money very fast, he won't even be able to get his pants down!" So she agrees and accepts the proposal. Half an hour goes by and the boyfriend is waiting for his girlfriend to call. Finally after 45 minutes the boyfriend calls and asks "What happened? What's keeping you." She said "The basta** used coins!!" Management lesson: Always consider a business proposal in its entirety before agreeing to it. By doing so, you will make sure you don't get screwed!
  13. Non SMS Stuff

    TRADITIONAL ECONOMICS You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. Your herd multiplies and the economy grows. You retire on the income. INDIAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You worship them. PAKISTAN ECONOMICS You don't have any cows. You claim that the Indian cows belong to you. You ask the US for financial aid, China for military aid, Britain for warplanes, Italy for machines, Germany for technology, France for submarines, Switzerland for loans, Russia for drugs and Japan for equipment. You buy the cows with all this and claim of exploitation by the world. AMERICAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You sell one and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You profess surprise when the cow drops dead. You put the blame on some nation with cows & naturally that nation will be a danger to mankind. You wage a war to save the world and grab the cows. FRENCH ECONOMICS You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. GERMAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You reengineer them so that they live for 100 years, eat once a month and milk themselves. BRITISH ECONOMICS You have two cows. They are both mad. ITALIAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You don't know where they are. You break for lunch. SWISS ECONOMICS You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you. You charge others for storing them. JAPANESE ECONOMICS You have two cows. You redesign them so that they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create cute cartoon cow images called Cowkimon and market them worldwide. RUSSIAN ECONOMICS You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 17 cows. You give up counting and open another bottle of vodka. CHINESE ECONOMICS You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity and arrest anyone reporting the actual numbers. SRI LANKAN ECONOMICS You have a cow and a bull, You let the cow be president and the bull be prime minister and let them blame each other for the state the country is in.
  14. Non SMS Stuff

    A Man and his Wife went on vacation to Jerusalem. While they were there, the Wife passed away. The Undertaker told the Husband, "You can have her shipped home for $5,000, or you can Bury her Here, in the Holy Land, for $150." The Man thought about it and told him he would just have her shipped Home. The Undertaker asked, "Why would you spend $5,000 to ship your Wife home, when it would be wonderful to be buried here and you would spend only $150?" The Man replied, "Long ago a man called Jesus Christ died here, was buried here, and three days later He rose from the dead. I just can't take that Chance.
  15. Non SMS Stuff

    THE SHOE BOX A man and woman had been married for more than 60 years. They had shared everything. They had talked about everything. They had kept no secrets from each other except that the little Old woman had a shoe box in the top of her closet that she had Cautioned her husband never to open or ask her about. For all of these years, he had never thought about the box, but One day the little old woman got very sick and the doctor said She would not recover. In trying to sort out their affairs, the little old man took Down the shoe box and took it to his wife's bedside. She agreed that it was time that he should know what was In the box. When he opened it, he found two knitted dolls And a stack of money totaling $95,000. He asked her about the contents. 'When we were to be married,' she said, ' my grandmother told me The secret of a happy marriage was to never argue. She told me that If I ever got angry with you, I should just keep quiet and knit a doll.' The little old man was so moved; he had to fight back tears. Only two Precious dolls were in the box. She had only been angry with him two Times in all those years of living and loving. He almost burst with Happiness. 'Honey,' he said, 'that explains the dolls, but what about all of this money? Where did it come from?' 'Oh,' she said, 'that's the money I made from selling the dolls.'
  16. Non SMS Stuff

    Rajnikant the Superstar is favourite of all! Here are few things that describe Rajnikant!! Enjoy!! Rajanikanth makes onions cry. Rajanikanth can delete the Recycling Bin. Bill Gates lives in constant fear that Rajanikanth' PC will crash. Ghosts are actually caused by Rajanikanth killing people faster than Death can process them. Rajanikanth can build a snowman….. out of rain. Rajanikanth can strangle you with a cordless phone. Rajanikanth can drown a fish. Rajanikanth can play the violin…… …with a piano. When Rajanikanth enters a room, he doesn't turn the lights on,……… …. he turns the dark off. Rajanikanth once had a heart attack…… ……… his heart lost. When Rajanikanth looks in a mirror the mirror shatters, because not even glass is stupid enough to get in between Rajanikanth and Rajanikanth. Brett Favre can throw a football over 50 yards. Rajanikanth can throw Brett Favre even further. The last digit of pi is Rajanikanth. He is the end of all things. Rajanikanth does not know where you live, but he knows where you will die. Bullets dodge Rajanikanth. A Handicap parking sign does not signify that this spot is for handicapped people. It is actually in fact a warning, that the spot belongs to Rajanikanth and that you will be handicapped if you park there. Rajanikanth' calendar goes straight from March 31st to April 2nd, no one fools Rajanikanth. If you spell Rajanikanth wrong on Google it doesn't say, "Did you mean Rajanikanth?" It simply replies, "Run while you still have the chance. " Rajanikanth can do a wheelie on a unicycle. Once a cobra bit Rajanikanth' leg. After five days of excruciating pain, the cobra died. When Rajanikanth gives you the finger, he's telling you how many seconds you have left to live. Rajanikanth can kill two stones with one bird. Rajanikanth was once on Celebrity Wheel of Fortune and was the first to spin. The next 29 minutes of the show consisted of everyone standing around awkwardly, waiting for the wheel to stop. Leading hand sanitizers claim they can kill 99.9 percent of germs. Rajanikanth can kill 100 percent of whatever he wants. There is no such thing as global warming. Rajanikanth was cold, so he turned the sun up. Rajanikanth can set ants on fire with a magnifying glass. At night. Rajanikanth has a deep and abiding respect for human life… unless it gets in his way. It takes Rajanikanth 20 minutes to watch 60 Minutes. Rajanikanth once shot down a German fighter plane with his finger, by yelling, "Bang!" In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Rajanikanth could use to kill you, including the room itself. Behind every successful man, there is a woman. Behind every dead man, there is Rajanikanth. Rajanikanth destroyed the periodic table, because Rajanikanth only recognizes the element of surprise. Rajanikanth got his drivers license at the age of 16 Seconds. With the rising cost of gasoline, Rajanikanth is beginning to worry about his drinking habit. The square root of Rajanikanth is pain. Do not try to square Rajanikanth, the result is death. When you say "no one's perfect", Rajanikanth takes this as a personal insult. Rajanikant's team needs 10 runs to win the cricket match and Rajini faces the last ball of the match. He hits the ball so hard that it splits into two, one goes for a six and the other for a four, the decision is referred to third Umpire and he awards 10runs to Rajini. Their team wins the match. Anything is possible in Rajnis films. Rajnikant has counted to infinity - twice! When Rajnikant does a push up, he isn't lifting himself up. He's pushing the earth down. Rajnikant is so fast. He can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head. Rajnikant doesn't wear a watch, he decides what time it is. Rajnikant gave Mona Lisa that smile. Rajnikant can slam a revolving door. If you Google search 'Rajnikant getting kicked', you will generate zero results. It just doesn't happen. The Bermuda Triangle used to be the Bermuda square, until Rajnikant kicked one of the corners off. There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq; Rajnikant lives in Chennai. Rajnikant once ate an entire bottle of sleeping pills. They made him blink. The only things that run faster and longer than Rajnikant are his films. Rajnikant's every step creates a mini whirlwind. Hurricane Katrina was the result of morning jog. Where there is a will there is a way. Where there is Rajnikant there's no other way.
  17. Also checkout Ubuntu Server Version 10.04 Lts. It is having lot of features, user friendly, regular six month update cycle. Ubuntu is currently No. 1 Linux Distribution Worldwide. See on their website in server section. It has many virtualisation features you are looking for. Also checkout WINE which is a linux software allowing you to run Windows Applications natively inside Linux without virtualization. Virtualbox is a good virtualization software from Sun Microsystems which was recently taken over by Oracle. Oracle has already declared that it is going to stop non revenue generating softwares from Sun very soon. So further development will be a question mark! If you are going to use Linux on Server, go for Server Versions of any popular linux distro instead of PCLINUX 2010 which is a Desktop OS. Other good linux distros from Server Viewpoint is SUSE.
  18. First be clear on your requirements! And Describe it Clearly! In the topic title you are saying Wanted GSM CDMA Music Phone In the Description in the post you are saying you need a phone with good sound quality! Now do you need a GSM CDMA Dual Sim phone with good sound quality for music playback only? Or Do you need a GSM CDMA Dual Sim phone with good sound quality for Calls? If your preference is for good and loud sound quality for music playback, no samsung phones will be able to beat this supposed to be chinese phones from the brands like Micromax, Lava, Olive, Videocon and many other Indian Tier 1 Brands. They all have loud music volume. Don't discard them just by saying chinese. All of them are basically using Mediatech Chipsets which is a Taiwan Company specialising in Low Cost Chipset Solutions with Maximum Features. Again for Call Quality, all this phones have good Call Quality and almost all of them will fit your budget of Rs. 5,000/-. So you need to decide what is a priority for you rather than just discarding all this handsets.
  19. Thanks Kamalbhai. You are really observing everything!
  20. Trader Feedback System Added

    This is fantastic feature addition Arun! Will really help all buyers and sellers.
  21. All ROMs In One Post!

    Hiteshbhai I am having Palm Pixi with version 1.3.5 If I use Sprint Palm Pixi 1.4.0 Bypass posted by you to upgrade, do I have to do the data settings again or anything else again or they will not be effected? Thanks in advance.
  22. @Hitesh dont want to use net books as again screen has to be there n it will go costly... Well in thin client also you will have to use a monitor. The thin client which you have identified is having a cost of Rs. 9000/- if I am not mistaken. Netbook may cost you in the range of 15000-16000. rightly said... finally i have decided as below:- 1. make a xeon based pc with 8gb ram n a good HDD as u said before 2. install win server 2008 or vmware esxi 3. test both of them thru rdp with existing pcs n probably 1 thin client for actual experience 4. whichever suits, will finalise that one n get other thin clients I think before finalizing on Xeon, wait for some time. Search on the net for a compatible motherboard for either Intel i7 or AMD Six Core Phenom II SIX X6 - 1090T BE Processor which has got Windows Server 2008 Drivers. The AMD one is really a superb processor in the price range of around Rs. 14,000/-. Plus the motherboard for AMD Processor will be cheaper compared to Intel i7 motherboards. I don't think Intel i7 is Six Core. This AMD Processor is one of the cheapest Six Core Processor available today. In Comparison Intel Six Core will cost you thousands of rupees more. Also look for intel server motherborads series compatible with i7 if you can't find an AMD Motherboard with Windows Server Drivers. You will save good amount of money by using this processors instead of Xeon. For your thin clients, check out the following vendors and their models. www.ncomputing.com www.enjayworld.com Particularly Enjay one has got a large variety of models and they are accustomed to Indian Environment and usage. If you shoot them a mail, I think they will probably help you with the configuration and choice as they are a homegrown company which understands the our Indian needs very well. Also checkout LG Network Monitor Range wherein thin client is built into the backside of monitor. I think they are using ncomputing model only. Again my advice will be please don't be in a hurry. Checkout all your options and only then decide. Please use the Report function in your first post in this particular thread and request the moderators to shift this topic under a more appropriate title rather than advice on atom based pc. Many more members will read it and benefit.
  23. @Hitesh For Server: The choice is Windows Server 2008 R2. If you have never used a Server OS before, then obviously there will be a hard learning curve involved. If you are going to do everything yourself, it will demand considerable amount of time and resources on your part. You have to take a call whether you can spare such time and effort. Next best course of action is to get the Server Setup done from a professional organization initially. For Virtualization: I did not get you clearly when you say installing VMWARE Workstation on Server and using virtual machines in that. Do you mean that you will install VMWARE Workstation on Server and into that you will install 5 Instances of Desktop OS like XP or Win7? If this will be the case, then when your user connects to the server and launches VMWARE Workstation to select their particular desktop OS, VMWARE workstation itself will be running in multiple instances and eating up resources. VMWARE ESXI may be a better solution as it does not depend on the host OS for management of resources. However I am not much familiar with ESXI. For Linux Based Server: You said that you have not used any Server OS till now. In this background, using Linux Server OS will be a real brave decision. If you know linux very well, it is O.K. Otherwise it is a totally different environment compared to familiar windows and takes huge amount of learning. Not saying that Linux Servers will be in any way inferior to Windows Server. In fact they are sometimes better. But only in particular instance when you know how to work around with linux. Using thin clients: Can understand your concern regarding power cuts and saving 700-800 watts. You mean to say you have 8-9 hour power cuts during daytime? If that is the case, then do you use UPS or Inverter Power Backup during so much time? One another alternative as opposed to using thin clients will be to use Netbooks with 7-8 hour battery capacity which you can then charge in the night. I am not sure whether netbook screen size will be sufficient for you though. However even in your thin client, you are going to attach it to an LCD Monitor and monitor you are going to power up during power cuts also. You can run Word, Excel, Browsing on netbook locally and run your main app ODIN on Server. All netbooks come with Windows XP Pro, 1 GB RAM, 160 GB HDD. This is familiar windows environment and not much configuration isssues involved. You can be up and running very fast. Also the multiple running instance issue can be resolved for all other apps except ODIN. Even ODIN can be installed and tried on Netbook. You can increase the Netbook RAM to 2 GB. Netbook Cost will be approx. 6000-7000 higher then the linux thin client you have shortlisted. As far as performance goes, you will really have to check this out on a Netbook for yourself and See. If this works, then your Server Config. Can be lower also. I do not strongly oppose thin client model. Only for the reasons of configuration issues and complexity, I am a bit skeptical on their actual use for multi application environments. I think the best course of action for you would be to if you have access to a reasonably good spec PC, install Server OS on that, buy one thin client and do all the configuration as you desire and test it out. Same way if you can lay your hand on a Netbook, do the same. There is nothing like real usage scenario experience. My inputs are really focused on simplifying things. We all want to use the technology to the greatest extent possible but in our enthusiasm generally tend to forget that technology is just an enabler and means to an end and not an end itself. Important thing is your business and to run it smoothly giving it all you can. I have experimented with Linux and many other things but generally it has not worked out in the business processes and had lot of issues. You cannot halt the business for implementing complex technology. I would like you to read one of the post in RIMWEB wherein Sadikkbhai asked for help on CRM Software under General Technical Discussion. Post Title is Want CRM for Small Business Like Mine. The response I would like you to read is of ami1 at post no. 5 in that thread. That is the philosophy i think everyone should adopt when you are using technology for your business. Enough of advice.
  24. @Hitesh Sorry for late response. Have been busy. First let me congratulate you for a very detailed post. It seems you have done quite a bit of homework. It is always a pleasure to help people who want to help themselves and work hard towards that. Going by your use, I would not recommend using Windows 7 on your server and thin clients for a variety of reasons, -Windows 7 will never give you complete options for user management, security and other features which a normal server operating system will give. This may look not important at this stage to you but believe me for a growing business like yours, all this parameters are extremely important. Unless you have full control over users, applications and other things, problems will arise sooner than later and you will want to have things under full control. -Despite Windows 7 being a good stable OS compared to Vista, it can never be a substitute for Server OS. They are designed differently and so many features of the Server OS are not available in Windows 7. -Similarly in my opinion using VMWARE and all those things are not workable. Using thin clients: I will not advice this despite the supposed power savings because many applications do not run properly in multiple instances on server in RDP. Theory is one part, I am telling from actual experience. Performance is erratic. You do not have full control over user configuration as you have in a typical server os and client pc scenario. Moreover all of today's modern cpu be it intel or amd have very good power saving features wherein the processor frequency is throttled down during light use or no use. Thin clients are good when you have just a single application to run like data entry. In your usage scenario, you want to run excel, word, ODIN and browsing. Imagine all your users browsing on the Server! This is a recipe for disaster. Using Desktop Processor and Motherboard for Server: Most of the small business organization grapple with this choice one day when they need a server. The savings which you make by using Desktop Processor and Motherboard is quite substantial compared to Server Processor and Boards. Pros: -You save good amount of money. -There will not be a huge difference in performance. Cons: -As the desktop board you will choose for a server obviously has to have a high end one, it will have all features including separate graphic cards, multimedia, firewire and everything you can imagine. The problem arises usually with the drivers. One cranky driver and your Server OS will come crashing down. -With most high end desktop boards, you will not get drivers for Server Operating Systems. Using SSD as Storage on Server: Don't even think about it. I suppose you are thinking about the performance edge which you will get when you will use SSD on Server. But this is not at all worth it because, -SSD Technology is still not mature and mainstream. SSD has a fixed write and read cycle for each sector before it goes bad. Now because of this so many different algorithms are used so that SSD Controller sees to it that data is not written in the same sector again till a fresh unwritten sector is available. This obviously has its overheads and performance is impacted. -When the read-write cycle nears its end, the sector will be useless. -SSD drives do not have enterprise class robustness to be used in a server. Well there are many things you can read on the net about SSD Drives. Point is do not use it in Server at all. For Storage you can think of good enterprise class hard drives like Western Digital Velociraptor which are the fastest hard drives on the planet and their cost will be less than the cost of SSD for the same capacity. For Server Cabinet: VIP Server Cabinets are good and cost effective. Another choice would be Intel Original Server Cabinets but they will be very costly. SMPS: VIP Server Cabinets come with SMPS. There are many other choices for SMPS from Indian branded to imported brands. This can be decided later based on the board and processor. I would advice you to go for a typical Server and PC scenario. Please post the following detail also to go forward in this, -ODIN. Is this a windows software which needs to be installed on PC? For connectivity it must be using internet but in what format. I have heard that NSE operates on VSAT based internet connectivity? Have they also started allowing broadband internet connection now? How is the user management done in ODIN. Is it a Client Server Application? Once you make up your mind on Server and PC, we will see the exact brand and model. Hope this helps.
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