Students Suspended For Sexually Explicit Mms

[Beetle 0]

Yeah EEPROM you r right sex is good but it is good indoors you do not go out in public for sex

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Thats very broad minded..!!! Listen, this thing is bad because it is paedophilia and not just pornography. And yes, even the "desire to" or being Aroused at such a topic is paedophilia. This is not acceptable. Pornography is freedom of expression, and its up to you to enjoy it or not.

If you dont like Porn, shut up and let others enjoy. If you dont like to have sex in public places... man you are missing something. Pity.!

[tanveer 59]

i guess a girl of over 16 yr old can have sex with consent. the students here were 17 yrs old. so this is in no way pedophilia, which is described as a perversion in which an adult finds pleasure and is attracted to children. moreover this whole thing is so funny, rather than making sure that no such thing is done in the school campus, the Principal bans cell phones as if saying that it is alright to have sex for students but not to have it captured on mobile phone! Hello, are handycams allowed?

[Beetle 0]

True..!! I agree with Tanveer. What is really required is openess while discussing matters of sex. Sexual curiosity is a normal thing, and 15 is the average age when a girl experiences her first sexual experience. For guys it is 14.

[raccoon 53]

Guys, guys ...before you assume that you know what is good for someone else, please reconsider! Who is some one to tell the other how to lead their lives? Are you sure you are doing it all quite right yourselves? Yes, the caveat should be that it does not infringe anybody else's "space" or harm anyone, etc, of course! Who has sex ...who dosen't ...is entirely their own business! Why do pesky Principals, parents, and the tribe think otherwise??? And if at 17 guys are still crippled with authority, perhaps they will remain as retards forever!

As far as cell phones go ...I'd grudingly say some control on video phones may be understandable because they sure can be used to infringe on your privacy.

Edited December 2, 2004 by raccoon

[Beetle 0]

As far as cell phones go ...I'd grudingly say some control on video phones may be understandable because they sure can be used to infringe on your privacy.

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Do we have Right of Privacy as one of our fundamental rights??? How about "Duty to respect another persons privacy"

Any constitutional expert?

[Code 0]

Either way - As newer technologies/developments occur so are newer laws required. Guess someone talking about cybercrime laws when our country got independence.

[tanveer 59]

IIT student held for selling DPS sex clip

Ehtasham Khan in New Delhi | December 15, 2004 00:36 IST

The Delhi police on Tuesday arrested an Indian Institute of Technology-Kharagpur student for selling the Delhi Public School sex clip on www.baazee.com

"Ravi Raj was arrested from the institute at around 6:30 pm today," Deputy Commissioner of Police Prabhakar said. "He will be presented in the court on Wednesday. We will ask for his custody for further investigation. He will be brought to Delhi."

The 2.37-minute clip, involving two DPS students, was shot using an MMS-enabled mobile phone.

It was passed on from phone to phone all over the country and even abroad.

It was later copied to VCD and sold in Delhi.

According to the police, Raj (23), who is in his eighth semester, bought the VCD from the market and posted it on the Mumbai-based Web site. Eight people bought the VCD from there.

After the scandal became public, a Delhi police team was sent to Mumbai for investigations.

According to Prabhakar, Raj posted the VCD on baazee.com on behalf of Alice Computers, a company that does not exist.

The police traced the email ID through which the clip was sent as attachment and landed on Raj's doorstep.

They also found that two of the buyers were from Delhi.

Some of the buyers made payments through a Web site called www.paisapay.com Some sent cheques to Raj's hostel address: D-225, Rajendra Prasad Hall, IIT-K.

A team then went to the hostel, but was told that Raj had gone home to Hazaribagh, Jharkhand.

The police then got Raj's mobile number from his friends. He was called to meet the registrar of the institute in his office on Tuesday evening.

So now what satement do you expect from dean/ principal/ director of the IIT? What will he ban? Computers in the IIT campus?

[hritik123 4]

I dont think its fair of authorities to expel him from college , after all people do go to see adult movies in hall , its a normal thing to be attracted to sex, as long as the people are mature adults and no one is being forced , sex should be free

[deepu 0]

Police should have acted discreetly and told this guy to stop selling on baazee instead of making the whole issue public...

They have ruined one bright guys future....

[Shabz 8]

its not that deepu that they have ruined the student's life but police have to be strict and should nip the evil in the bud who knows that guy might have grown up to make porn movies there is an old saying "Spare the rod and spoil the child"

[Beetle 0]

I dont see the relation between selling porn on bazee.com and punishment by suspension. Clearly, this requires to be mocked at. The same goes for the school kid.

Shabz, your attitude of nipping the bud is the work half done and the easiest of the "possibilities". By suspending the person, you are just passing the buck. And Tanveer, i dont see my post deleted Grow up

Edited December 15, 2004 by Beetle

[Ashokjp 15]

Guys plz stop striking words on each other..

[deepu 0]

Do you buy or sell porn? Read this

Ehtasham Khan in New Delhi | December 15, 2004 20:38 IST

Last Updated: December 15, 2004 20:48 IST

The MMS sex clip involving two Delhi Public School students has opened a Pandora's box.

The 2.37-minute clip was passed from one phone to another and it reached all over the country and even abroad.

It was also copied to a VCD and sold clandestinely in many cities. Later it was posted on www.baazee.com, a Mumbai-based auction site.

The Delhi police's Economic Offences Wing, which is investigating the case, says it has established the chain leading to the clip's sale on the Web site.

The clip first circulated among DPS students. Two students, who have been identified, sold it to make quick money.

It was then sold to a man for Rs 10,000. The man, whose identity has not been revealed, copied it on VCD and sold it to some shopkeepers in Delhi.

One Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur student in West Bengal allegedly bought the VCD and posted it on baazee.com, from where eight people bought it.

The student, Ravi Raj, 23, has been arrested.

He had sold the VCD for Rs 125 each on behalf of a fake company called Alice Electronics.

The VCD was removed from the net after two days when bazee.com found it pornographic.

The VCD was in a section where buyers and purchasers interact directly, say baazee.com officials, who are also being questioned by the police.

According to the police, buying the VCD is not an offence, but selling it is. But lawyers say even buying it can land one in trouble.

Even though copies of the VCD are being widely sold in Delhi's Nehru Place and Connaught Place markets for prices ranging from Rs 50 to Rs 250, lawyers have a word of caution for people who circulate dirty jokes, pictures and music through mobile phones and the internet: such circulation is governed by the Indian Penal Code and the Information Technology Act.

Pawan Duggal, an expert in cyber law, says the IT Act defines mobile phones as computers. Any obscene information circulated by mobile phones comes under the ambit of this law.

"The law does not define text, picture or music," says Duggal. "It just says data. The law does not permit circulation of any data in electronic form that is lascivious in nature."

According to the IT Act, selling obscene VCDs can lead to five years of imprisonment and a fine of Rs 100,000. The punishment doubles if the offence is committed again.

Buying such VCDs is an offence leading to three years of imprisonment and a fine as decided by the judge.

Once you play the film on the computer, it is understood as publishing of the obscene content. The punishment for that is equivalent to selling it.

The baazee.com officials are pleading not guilty, saying they were unaware of the VCD's contents. But Duggal says: "Law is not bothered about your awareness. You are not supposed to list anything on the Web site without knowing about its content.

"The law holds baazee.com guilty unless proven innocence."

According to the IT Act, says Duggal, all mobile phone service providers who allowed the circulation of the MMS have also committed an offence. "The law clearly says that the service providers shall be liable for all data made available by them."

As for the boy and the girl, they are guilty of publishing and transmitting obscenity. The police, however, have not yet charged them.

[Ashokjp 15]

thats funny, excluding the boy and girl all are stuck

[hritik123 4]

This is really strange and really stupid. the boy and gal had all the fun and rest of all the people are being rounded up. i think indian gov needs to grow up. instead of catching dons and politicians with corruption they are catching weak people

[raccoon 53]

This is  really strange and really stupid. the boy and gal had all the fun and rest of all the people are being rounded up. i think indian gov needs to grow up. instead of catching dons and politicians with corruption they are catching weak people 

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Thats an old trick used my politicians - start making a fuss with non issues ...so the real issues will remain in the dark. Sometime back, the police were dictating that cyber cafes should not have cubicles/partitions, and cafe owner should ensure that no customer accesses 'obscene' material, etc. I wonder what makes policemen belive they know whats good and whats bad for other people. If this continues, the day isn't far off when they will dictate what people should and shouldnt do in their own bedrooms.

And Id really like to know, if even the mobile companies are guilty, then what about internet service providers? They were and are as much a party to the thing. And then what about the phone lines thru which the ISPs operate? And the computers / TVs which play the stuff? What about the power companies which run ALL the gadgets? It dosent take too much insight to see that the law is an a** made by asses! Actually asses are smarter ...I can vouch for that!

Police should have acted discreetly and told this guy to stop selling on baazee instead of making the whole issue public...

They have ruined one bright guys future....

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I'd really agree with that ...but obviously it does not suit the police's vested intrests. Acting discreetly dosent help when you want to be in the limelight! And obviously they want to be seen doing 'something' ...who cares even if they are non-issues! After all, lot of people do buy their games (we can see that right here). Police and the legal system are not the antidote to societies ills; they are part of the problem!

Edited December 17, 2004 by raccoon

[Puneet 0]

A little bit OFF-Topic, but I remembered a story published last year on ToI related to what we do in our bedrooms, and as per Indian law almost everything would be illegal

Sex on your mind? Don't just do it

NILANJANA BHADURI JHA/TIMESOFINDIA.COM

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2003 02:22:24 PM]

NEW DELHI: Burn the Kamasutra. In the land of ancient erotica, a

143-year-old British law makes illegal any sexual activity that is not

procreative.

Unbelievable? The law is in your bedroom and there is little you can

do about it. A homosexual can get a life term in jail for indulging in

consensual sex. This when punishment for rape is seven years.

Not just that. Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, says Vivek Diwan

of Lawyers Collective, is interpreted to suggest that if even a man

and woman, married or otherwise, indulge in anything but the straight

and narrow required to produce a child, they could be hauled up if

caught in the act. Even in their home. So no oral sex unless you are

sure you won't be busted. Actually, no sex for pleasure at all.

Social workers appealing against the provisions of Section 377, an

1860 Christian law on "unnatural offences", say it is being used to

exploit homosexuals. Proponents of the law point out that it is also

used in cases of child abuse and sodomy. That of course begs another

question. When child abuse is rampant, why is there no separate law to

deal with it?

Section 377 says: "Whoever voluntarily has carnal intercourse against

the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished

with imprisonment for life, or with imprisonment of either description

for a term which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to

fine."

Gay rights

A hot debate on the law has brought gay rights in focus again, but in

India it is not about marriage or religious rights. It is about the

basic right to exist. The Centre asserted last week that homosexuality

cannot be legalised in the country as society does not approve of it

and that it goes against public morality.

The government's statement is a blow for gay rights activists as well

as non-governmental organisations battling HIV/AIDS. Shaleen Rakesh,

gay rights activist and project coordinator at Delhi-based NGO Naz

Foundation, finds it amazing that a 19th century British law can be

applied to a sexual minority in a way that outlaws an entire

community.

"It is about the fundamental rights of gays to indulge in sexual

activity of their choice. The fear of being illegal takes away the

every identity of homosexuals, so any other rights cannot even be

conceived of," says Shaleen. Naz Foundation has appealed in court

about the use of Section 377 against homosexuals.

The NGO says work on AIDS, like condom distribution among homosexuals,

is severely hampered as these people refuse to come forward. "They

fear the police as there have been cases where gays have been rounded

up under Section 377 and threatened with imprisonment," says Shaleen,

adding that these cowering individuals are often victims of extortion

or even forced to have sex with policemen.

Naz had in the past also appealed to the National Human Rights

Commission in a case where a homosexual was subjected to "aversion

therapy" by a psychiatrist to "cure" him of his "malaise". The

petition was dismissed.

Globally, a significant 10 per cent of the sexually active male

population is homosexual. Shaleen quotes a random survey among 2,000

Indian conducted by the Institute for Economic Growth where 34 per

cent men answered in the affirmative to a question on whether they had

ever had a sexual experience with another man.

Of Indian ethos

Vivek Diwan junks the use of 377 pointing out that the law cannot just

be used against consenting homosexual adults, but also against

heterosexuals who have sex that is not procreative. "The law has been

interpreted to exclude all but procreative sex between man and woman

as legal."

Thus, he points out, even the government's family planning programme

can be questioned as it encourages non-procreative sexual activity

through the use of contraception.

The man who is putting forth the government's view in court Additional

Solicitor General KK Sood, stoutly defends the use of Section 377

against homosexuals: "We must uphold some moral standards," he says,

equating homosexuality with obscenity. "We have to guard the health of

future generations."

But he also points out that though a sexual act between two men or

indeed even "deviant"  sex between man and woman are punishable by

law, it is unlikely that the law will be applied unless one partner

complains or they are caught indulging thus in a public place. "Then,

other laws like those for obscenity in public places or rape would

apply in any case."

Sood admits that procreative sex is the only kind that will not

qualify as "carnal intercourse" as described in Section 377. And that

the government has had to give in for the larger good as far as family

planning is concerned. For the rest, he says, it is "absurd to term

Section 377 a British law" because the very grain of ancient Indian

ethos is contained in it.

So where did Vatsayayna's 64 positions and the erotic carvings in

Khajuraho come from?

Sood gets the last word: "Those are only an artistic display of the

fact that deviations exist. So that you can make the rules to control

them."

[raccoon 53]

I erred in saying "the day isn't far off when they will dictate what people should and shouldnt do in their own bedrooms". Well, I guess its already very much here. Are we to remain a democracy only on paper? Everybody who has an iota of respect for personal freedom, should oppose all such laws tooth and nail. But the paradox of the human condition seems to be that most people are scared of freedom...

[Ashokjp 15]

Well people who made all these laws are violating it the most

[deepu 0]

Police get notice on Bazee CEO's bail plea

December 20, 2004 13:47 IST

The Delhi high court on Monday issued notice to the police on the bail petition of bazee.com CEO Avnish Bajaj, arrested in connection with the Delhi Public School sex clip scandal.

Vacation Judge Justice Vikramjit Sen posted the application for further hearing on Tuesday.

The court had rejected Bajaj's bail plea on Saturday and sent him to judicial custody for six days.

Bajaj was arrested on Friday with the police claiming that baazee.com listed the MMS clip under the title 'DPS Girl Having Fun' for sale on November 24 and that the CEO did not make any effort to remove it until prodded.

THIS IS GETTING HORRIBLE.... ITS GOOD THAT ARUN DELETED ALL THOSE CL***** ARTICLES FROM THE FORUM

Edited December 20, 2004 by deepu

[deepu 0]

Baazee case: Making sense of nonsense

December 20, 2004

India has certainly got to be the safest country to do e-business in. And that is because our law enforcers can swoop down upon the CEO of an e-commerce company within weeks of his company hosting the entry of a CD that purportedly contained clippings of some extra-curricular activities of school students.

After all, Baazee.com CEO Avnish Bajaj just has about 70,000 entries a day which his company needs to check for their content and authenticity to comply with the stipulations of the IT Act!

But then the same logic should throw the editor of major dailies into jail, because their newspapers provide advertisements for escort services. How about jailing mobile companies CEOs too? After all, the underworld uses mobile networks for their nefarious activities.

No doubt a crime has been committed. But the authorities are barking up the wrong tree.

Let's examine the facts. A couple of school students were recorded indulging in oral sex.

The first crime committed was breach of privacy. Using that recording to try and generate revenue could tantamount to peddling contraband. And that is the second crime.

However, it beats me as to how the CEO of an e-commerce site has been arrested for not exercising due diligence.

Did Baazee, implicitly or explicitly, indicate that it encourages or condones sale of pornographic content? Do the authorities believe that it is realistically possible for an e-commerce site to validate each and every entry that is posted on the site?

People who advocate a technology solution to such problems don't understand technology and probably don't understand this problem either.

E-commerce sites add value to the entire transaction chain by allowing the sellers to interact directly with potential buyers. That is the fundamental principle of this reduced cost transaction model. If the company were to set up processes to examine each and every item being sold on their site, there would be no financial viability to this whole business structure.

Sure some processes are a must, like ensuring that no contraband or obviously offensive material is sold through the site. But let's face it, there are enough dedicated sites which cater to pornography which the authorities can't even begin inventorying, let alone monitoring.

A few security 'gurus' have been suggesting that Baazee should have used software that filters out offensive text. Apart from displaying how little they know both about technology and the specifics of this case; such an act would simply not be feasible. More than half the titles of books, CDs and movies would be thrown out of the site if such a 'word search' technology was used.

Let's take another perspective of this issue. A couple of years ago when India announced the formalisation of its IT Act with much fanfare it was presumed that since we now had an IT Act, cyber crime would be reduced.

That is about as practical as suggesting that once we put in the anti-eve-teasing law, eve teasing has been dealt with. I believe the authorities are dealing with the esoteric rather than the execution.

Pornographic material is freely available on the Net. Matter of fact, even legitimate sites like Hotmail and Yahoo are inundated with spam mail that force open porn sites.

So, should we begin by arresting Bill Gates next time he comes around to India? Porn is freely available in VCDs and tapes in every city. Are we even pretending this is not true? Pirated films are beamed into homes, illegal software can be bought easier than a pack of cigarettes.

But one video clip on a CD, which was not even on the servers of the e-commerce site, and which the company had no hand in making, or distributing, gets the CEO state hospitality along with murders and rapists.

It must be a comforting thought for our other young entrepreneurs who, after doing a stint in Harvard, would like to return to India like Avnish Bajaj did. India is indeed a safe country to do business in.

The author is CEO, Mahindra Special Services Group, and an information security veteran since 20 years.

[Ashokjp 15]

Very true,

Any news about the ppl who indulged in the crime ? - the boys and the girl.

What we got to hear is only that the people who distributed are in gr8 trouble.

[tanveer 59]

boy is caught. girl is in canada i am told!

[Ashokjp 15]

boy is caught

girl is in canada ???????

is the girl innocent in this case ?

[tanveer 59]

i hope u read tiodays paper. the boy has been taken in the custody. girl is said to be innocent because she was not involved in selling the porn clip, which the boy did. its the sale of porn thats the crime here not having oral sex. moreover both of them had fled. boy returned from Nepal yesterday

this is from timesofindia

Delhi boy arrested in MMS case

TIMES NEWS NETWORK

New Delhi: The police have placed under arrest the Delhi Public School student who reportedly shot a sexually explicit video which found its way into public domain and was sold over the Internet and on VCDs.

    The arrest was carried out by the economic offences wing (EOW) of the Delhi police from the city’s domestic airport late on Sunday afternoon. A nonbailable warrant had been issued against the boy by a city court on Friday after the police submitted that the student and his family were not cooperating in the investigation.

    The boy—whose name has been withheld—is a juvenile and will be produced before a juvenile court on Monday. Procedures also demand that members of the juvenile justice board be informed about his arrest. The police refused to divulge any details of his or his family’s questioning.

    Investigations are now expected to track down the “route’’ by which the MMS became available in public domain. Just who did the school student pass on the MMS to and at what point was it widely circulated will be the subject of the EOW’s search. The transmission as well as the sale of the MMS clip are central to the investigation.

    The police said the boy, accompanied by his parents, was taken to the crime branch office in Sangam Vihar after his arrest. In accordance with legal requirements, the boy will not be kept in lock-up while in detention. The police, on Sunday, also denied that the boy had tried to go “underground’’ after the warrant was issued against him.

    The boy was a member of the under-17 Delhi state cricket team and is the son of a city exporter. Both the boy, now a little over 16 years of age, and girl who featured in the MMS, were expelled

from the school. Six other students have also been asked to leave. The incident has been in the news for about a month-and-a-half.

    The boy was reportedly playing for the under-17 team at a tournament in Shimla last week but was dropped after the MMS controversy heated up. The MMS is understood to have been sold for Rs 125 and then he along with his friend further sold it to a yet-to-be-identified person for Rs 10,000. This person is seen to be instrumental in mass producing the VCDs.

It’s all on sale

t Washington: Showcasing a two-minute clip of school kids’ smut is hardly unusual for an online auction company that’s been a platform for folks wanting to sell their virginity, a ghost in a jar, a windbag (full of air from Hurricane Isabel), evil in a bottle, and a hairy armadillo, among other things.

    Since its founding in the US in 1995, Ebay, the parent company of Baazee.com, has flirted with the kooky and the spooky, the nutty and the smutty. But it has also redefined the rules of retailing and is one of the few defining successes of the internet age that saw most e-commence ventures flame out. Page 15 Colleges zero in on security guards, cameras to deter PDA on campus By Sandhya Nair/TNN

Mumbai: Actors Kareena Kapoor and Shahid Kapur may have put public display of affection (PDA) into the spotlight but city colleges have been wary about the issue for quite some time now.

    Hugging, holding hands, even kissing—all these are common among collegians, so much so that scandalised managements drive students out of the campus as soon as lectures are over.

    “Students should have the impression that we are strict. They are not allowed to be seen wasting time outside college when they need to be in class,’’ says M K Desai, principal of N M College in Vile Parle.A strict dress code and fixed seating arrangements in class are some of the other measures colleges adopt to deal with the issue.

    In fact, colleges begin the academic year with an orientation programme for parents and students where discipline and dress codes are discussed. “However much I may hate a short top, when everybody wears such clothes there is little I can do,’’ says Manju Nichani, principal of K C College. “Unfortunately, a little bit of physical proximity is also common among students today. All we can do is ensure they behave themselves on campus,’’ she adds.

    Couples sitting on benches, at the lecture complex and found loitering in the Mumbai University’s Kalina campus have to pay with their identity cards. “The guards don’t even spare couples on a motorbike. They may be just friends but proximity of boys and girls is banned,’’ says Arun Kurkute, a PhD student.

    Burhani college in Mazgaon simply makes sure that the twain don’t meet. Male students have to leave the college premises before the girls come in for lectures in the afternoon. “Boys found hanging outside the college after lectures are punished with confiscation of identity cards,’’ says a student. While at Ruia college in Matunga, girls occupy the first few rows and boys have to sit in the back rows.

    “Some of our professors are so orthodox that half the lecture time goes in reshuffling boys and girls,’’ says Abbas Dalal, a second year student at Lala Lajpatrai College in Haji Ali, where security guards maintain a close watch on couples getting too close on campus.

    Ruia College has gone a step further. “Cameras have been installed in the corridors so that a constant vigil is maintained,’’ says principal R T Sane.

Edited December 20, 2004 by tanveer